they would not tell us what was going on. so we had to do our conversation and we're pretty good at it. and when you read those first 350 pages, you told me that you were shocked. at some of what you read. you did not know that. and that to me is shocking. but not to condemn anybody, simply says that has to be fixed and changed forever. there never can be that kind of situation again where we have to tell you what's going wrong in your agency and thus demoralizing some of the people in your agency who want to be relieved of the burden and the taint of bad techniques and interrogation. they suffer from that. and yet nobody would talk with us about that. we had to get that information on our own. i think it's a piece of history. it will go down in history because it will define the separation of powers as between the intelligence committees of the house and senate and the agency and other that is relate to it. i'm also aware that this is crucial to the president's authority. not just on the more modern question of the day about